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Anne Harris: Simplicity is Most Complex or Fiddlin’ With The Blues

Once again Bluescruisers were subject to the captivating sounds and exotic moves of Ms. Anne Harris, of the Otis Taylor Band.
She danced and played her way into the hearts and souls of all who experienced her aboard the boat. Whether with the Otis Taylor Band, or jamming with Terrance Simien, Southern Hospitality or the Voodoo Women showcase, she was riviting both musically and visually.
IMG_3779I cannot tell you how many people wanted me to interview her and learn more about her, so here is last years interview with Ms. Anne, it is as fresh and timely as it was then. Hope you enjoy reading it as much as I did doing it. There has been some editing done for this version of the interview to keep it current, but we did not change any critical information.
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On the October 2011 Legendary Rhythm & Bluescruise I was honored to witness the Otis Taylor Band. Within minutes the audience and myself were captivated by the fiddle playing of Anne Harris. A cross between Jimi Hendrix gyrations and Gypsy-like trills soon had the boat buzzing with her name and talent. I was besides myself when she accepted my proposition to be interviewed for Blues411 and, dear readers, here is Ms. Anne Harris.
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B411: I positively was taken in by your performances with Otis Taylor. He has always stretched the parameters of what is considered the blues – that is by blues purists I should say. How did you hook up with him?

AH: Every genre will have a group of purists surrounding it. Otis has always felt like an outsider in the world of blues, he sort of lives on the edge of it. He feels he is not fully embraced by it because he is not playing a traditional format. Whether that is in the form of his instrumentation or of the bands he puts together or the way he approaches his music. It’s a different sound.

I think that’s why I relate to him and why I got picked up by him - because I am similar. I am the square peg, the black sheep of the family, as well. I don’t fit into any category of music and part of that is because I don’t come from a purist training – I wasn’t entrenched in any one school of music or form. I was classically trained initially but my tastes have always been all over the place.
I hear the marriage of every form of music when I listen – when I hear a bluegrass tune I don’t hear just a bluegrass tune, I hear Celtic tunes, I hear Blues I hear Country…that’s where my sensibilities lie,  that’s how I relate to Otis’ music. I know his music would be in the broader Blues bin in a music store but his music has a broader thing for my ear – I hear West Africa specifically Mali and other things as well. I believe that’s what kept him on the fringes, he’s not approaching the form in a traditional way.

B411: That is the reason that I so enjoy the bands music, it speaks beyond what we normally hear. I sort of think of you as a band of square pegs.

Ms. Anne HarrisAH: Exactly true!

B411: I think with your addition to the band it adds so much to the holistic quality of them, you break down the wall between artist and audience very well.
When I hear you play the fiddle I think Gypsy – somewhere in all of that…

AH: OK yeah, and that’s not remiss. The fiddle has a storied history and it has been taken in many directions, and Gypsy music is an important part of that story. As well as within this country, the folk tunes, the black fiddle players or early blues and jazz – then there’s the classical world which is a world unto itself, and Indian violin playing. There’s a whole matrix that this instrument has inhabited, it’s pretty fascinating, a real versatile voice, which is one of the reasons why I love it so much.

B411: Yes, as a instrument it can do so very much. OK I have to make a confession here, I am a white boy ! So to me a fiddle was always a country instrument. Because that was my only exposure to it – probably until the Jefferson Airplane introduced us to Papa John Creach.

AH: Yes that’s right! Interesting that you mention that connection. I have played a few shows with Jefferson Starship and my good friend is currently the lead singer for them. When I knew I was going to be sitting in with them, I went back and listened to all the recordings – it’s amazing, at the time they were in their 20′s and Papa John was in his 50′s and for this young white group of San Francisco kids to have that ear and inspiration to invite him on board to share what he did was so ahead of their time. I just loved that, the influence he had on them and for what it did for the profile of the violin in Rock. He’s a really important figure. I didn’t even touch on Jazz – that’s a whole other branch of the fiddle tree. So much of what he was inspired by was Jazz and the Gypsy music that you were referencing. You can hear that in what he does. I think he was the first introduction to many people at that time to the instrument and what it can do outside of country music.

Captivating on all levels,B411: Some say that the funnel for delivering music to the people was wider back then. Now there seems to be limits put on by ‘popularity’ and money making opportunities. Though some festivals have seemed to expand their rosters to be more inclusive and eclectic.

AH: I think a lot of festivals are doing that, maybe it’s just because the festivals I am being booked on. But I think music has always been by people and for the people – bottom line – and along the way we discovered, since it is a populist form of art, that there is a commercial aspect to it that cannot be ignored. There will always be the battle between the artists and the people who support the artists and arts, versus the
people that see profit to be made who want to sway the art in a certain way to make money. I’m not saying that’s a bad thing – we live in the kind of world we live in – but it makes it a little more of a challenge to look beneath the layers of things and one must take a little bit of time to find the cool things happening. There is amazing music happening everywhere and there’s never been a time that we have had the tools to access that in a more direct way with the technology. So there’s a double edged sword.
The world is always changing and expanding – who says radio has the responsibility to be the dictator of cool, maybe for their fifteen minutes of fame they did, but that’s a paradigm that’s not relevant anymore. But we got this entire internet world that doesn’t seem to be going away anytime soon. If you can press record on a tape machine you can put up your original song for the world to hear.

B411: Through all of this – the square peg, globally influenced, but can I ask who is Anne Harris? I mean how have you managed to fly under our radar, what makes Anne Harris – Anne Harris? I never asked this question to anyone but you are different, and at some level I think there is something very special there that is intriguing, forgive me!

AH: That’s a question! Who is anybody? We are all a big mash up of all of our influences, obviously my heroes in this story are my parents. They are amazing people who raised me and brother and sister in this tiny utopic college town during the seventies and eighties, they and the town afforded and encouraged freedom of expression, the questioning of everything and thinking for yourself. Those, among other things, fueled or ignited my passion to discover who I am. Which I don’t know who that is, because it is always an unfolding process. We are all works of art in process.
From Amazing Grace to Gypsy Gyrations.I think it’s been part of why I have an insatiable appetite and interest for all kinds of music. I want to know about the soul of the world and for me soul is translated thru music and dance (my body). In my quest to get to know the soul of the world better I want to immerse myself in all things musical. Every artist, every musician, every song has a little fractured piece of this bigger mosaic that is the soul of the world, the universe and I will always get a huge charge out of discovering these pieces and seeing how these pieces reflect and teach me more about myself. Does that make sense?

B411: That’s amazing – I love the answer – that’s really what I was looking for without knowing it. By learning more about ourselves we teach others.

AH: I should also mention that my household was an ongoing soundtrack. My father loved music from Basie, Sinatra, Opera, Gospel, Mahalia Jackson – so I was always privy to that. I began experimenting with his records while they were gone.

B411: So with all these influences – do you play with other people – and create other forms of music than what we know of you?

AH: Yes, I do. I play with a band based out of Chicago, The Macro-Dots, Cathy Richardson. I mentioned her earlier as the singer touring with Jefferson Starship, she is just an amazing vocalist/singer/songwriter. I have my own band as well – a more folk-rock band. I also get hired to sit in with people. Most of that is along the lines of rock genre thing, I do some session work doing string arrangements for other people (which I love to do). Like most musicians I piece meal my life together on a daily basis!
I am fortunate enough that people hire me for my sound. I blend a lot of different things together. One of my goals as an artist, the one thing I want to develop, and think I have been, is to develop my own individual sound. A lot of the artists that inspire me the most as the ones that have a sound that is theirs. Bob Dylan might not go down in history as the greatest vocalist but that voice there is nothing like it, and the way it delivers the message is singular. I want to be the kind of artist that is known to have their own stamp of individuality – one that no one else has .

B411: I think you are well on the way – I do have that ‘sense’ with some guitarists and drummers where I hear a track and say ‘that’s so and so’ or even someone I don’t know I hear and say ‘wow, who is that ‘. Yes that’s what Otis has and I believe your association with him has, and will help you in your quest.

rockin' that fiddleSpeaking of Mr. Taylor, how was Trance-fest ?

AH: It was an absolute blast! A long weekend, we had workshops all during the day Saturday and Sunday. These were wonderful, everyone got to be up close and personal with these amazing people and jam, discuss  and work together. Everyone brought instruments with them, a flutist, an oboe player, another fiddle player, ukelele, a bunch of guitars, drummers a great eclectic mix of instruments. Everyone got to sit around with such legendary people as Bob Margolin, Don Vappe, Mato Nanje, Tony Trischka, George Porter – these are legendary people. The jam on Saturday night went about four hours, the big jam at the Boulder Theater, quite insane. It was a wonderful experience and I am so looking forward to that happening again.

B411: I thought the concept was just so beautiful. I saw some video of the jam recently.

AH: Yes, the main structure that Otis set out for the weekend was ‘no chord changes’! He would stop the jam if he heard anyone trying to throw in chord changes – which I just love. Not sure if this is obvious but I am a great fan of John Lee Hooker, and his vamping over a chord with spoken word, just get the beat.
This harkens back to what Otis’ sound is about. He tries to distill a groove out of the music that’s how the whole ‘trance’ moniker works. When you have wonderful people with all this technical ability things can get real fancy and complicated. But its always real important to have this grounding or root to bring it back to, this simple thing like a heart beat. When you bring it down to that level of simplicity – a heart beat – everyone listening and playing has a heart and feels it and it doesn’t matter if you are the most technical player in the room or never picked up an instrument, everyone’s polar access is their heart. That’s the bottom line and I love the way Otis disseminates that. I think it is important that we keep circling around that and keep it in the periphery of our vision.

Jamming with Terrance SimienB411: People want to wander and change chords because that seems to be what music is to us, and when we break it down it almost seems too simple – but yet there is a certain purity that harkens back to Meher Baba in his speaking of the one note and that note/sound is OM.

AH: Yes! That’s perfect! Pour me a glass of wine, now we’re talking. That’s genius! That’s what I’m getting at. There is room for everything, there is a space for getting intricate, taking journeys and creating things inside the structure – all that is supposed to happen. There is nothing that is not supposed to happen. But there is a great reminder in returning to that center, it is a meditation of sorts, as you so eloquently put it returning to OM. Which is kind of the under-current of all that gets laid on top of it.

B411: Anne it has been more than wonderful sharing this time with you. I only hope the readers get as much from this session as I have.

Otis Taylor will be releasing a brand spanking new release ‘My World Is Gone” on Concord Music Group/Telarc label. It once again sets the highest of standards and features Ms. Harris, Shawn Starski, Todd Edmunds,  Larry Thompson, Ron Miles, Brian Juan, and special guest Mato Nanji. Look for it February 2013  wherever you find excellent music, and look for a review right here on Blues411.

For more info on Ms. Anne Harris visit: http://www.anneharris.com/

Mr. Otis Taylor: http://www.otistaylor.com/

Until next time,
Love, Peace & Chicken Grease
chefjimi
©Blues411.com 2012/13
photos: Leslie K. Joseph.

 

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Sullivan County Blues & Music Festival: A Celebration Of Old Friends

The Sullivan County Blues & Music Festival is November 23, 24, 2012, in Rock Hill NY. Yes, that is Thanksgiving weekend and I was curious as to the why’s and wherefore’s of this event.

I spoke with the promoter, Mr. Randy Resnick about why this weekend, and what it is they are offering. Then I spoke to Mr. Fred Scribner, a truly talented musician, who is one of the featured performers on Saturday night.
It sounds like a great time and Blues411 is thrilled to be part of it both as an attendee and as a Media Partner.

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Blues411: Randy, why did you choose the Thanksgiving weekend for this inaugural Sullivan County Blues & Music Festival?

Randy Resnick (RR): We were thinking that Thanksgiving weekend would be good since its not really a vacation weekend. Most People travel but not too far, and after two days with family, everyone needs a little break. So we are hoping they come out and see the festival which features some of the best acts in the area.

B411: True, that’s what got me interested, plus the fact, as you said, two days with family is about enough. Not for me but for them I am pretty high maintenance.
RR: I have heard that about you (we chuckle). We are looking forward to making the annual festival a regionally recognized and accredited event. We have tried very hard to make this “the whole package“. We have and awesome venue combined with the best regional acts from the area. If it pans out, we will bring in some nationally recognized artists next year.
B411: I think you have already done that with some of these artists – Chris O’Leary is certainly nationally recognized as is Alexis P. Suter and Murali Coryell.

B411: Where is Rock Hill, NY, how far from NYC or Philly?
RR: The Sullivan Hotel is a 70 room boutique hotel located 90 miles from NYC in the Sullivan County Catskills (hence the name “The Sullivan”). Newly renovated, we are trying to brand the event as an Upscale Blues Experience. We are also 3 hours from Philly.

B411: The Sullivan County Catskills have long been a destination for recreation and creative expression. Correct?

RR: Yes, as the home of the 1969 Woodstock Music & Arts Festival the area holds a place in the annals of popular music history that few others can match.Add to that Levon Helm’s Ramble, and others who live and create in the area make it truly a gem of a spot in NY State.

B411: Besides The Sullivan, are there restaurants or other spots to do stuff when not listening to music? What’s on tap for the grub, as that’s always important to me and my poor neglected belly, who has been named Timmy by my dear nephew.

RR: Glad you asked, We are offering a southern menu New Orleans style. Po Boys, Gumbo, Jambalaya, crawfish, catfish with rice and beans to name a few. We wanted to get in the blues vibe with the food and create a holistic event. Feeding the spirit and the Timmy’s of all attendees. Plus there are walking paths and other activities available since we are a  resort.

B411: Times are 4pm till 2am Friday, and 11am till 2am Saturday. Where can people find the event on the web?

RR: On Facebook you can go to: https://www.facebook.com/events/451214084924251/?fref=ts
For tickets to the event visit: http://sullivanblues.eventbrite.com/
To view the venue and see what we have to offer: http://www.the-sullivan.com/

B411: Randy, thank you, looking forward to seeing many friends there, I am now going to corner Fred Scribner for the artistic side of the gig.
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B411: Fred, tell me a little bit about yourself and your music history? Who or what is Midnight Slim?

Fred Scribner (FS): Midnight Slim was first started in 1977 at a place called the Eagle’s Nest in Cragmore, NY. Into the 80′s we would be jamming regularly and met some great guys such as Murali Coryell – I was such a big fan of his father, Larry, Murali would come around and we would just jam and have a blast.
So into the late 80′s my good buddy, Joe DiFazio, was working at WFAN in NYC working for Imus – of course it didn’t ring a bell at all – and was looking for blues instrumentals and something might happen with it so from there it grew.

B411: Now did you record those in your own studio or go to the station (which would be better, I think)?
FS: Oh no,I would go down to the WFAN studios and record on these giant reel-to-reel machines, and I gave him the first ones and he really liked them. So after a while I figured that if he liked these thrown together pieces of music that I created in the studio that I should spend some of my own money and produced some of my own stuff with the band.
So I went from getting an occasional mention on air and being joked about, to getting regular mention to being featured musical artist. Well his show got picked up by MSNBC and we went along for the ride.

B411: You never know, really do you? So tell me about Little Sammy Davis.
FS: So in 1991, my brother told me about this guy who was sitting in at the jam in Poughkeepsie, who happened to have played with my very favorite blues guitar players ever Earl Hooker.

B411: Incredible….THE Earl Hooker
FS: Yes, see I was doing all instrumentals for Imus so I was looking for a singer and Sammy was there. So I introduced Imus to Sammy, and he loved him, we then became regular guests on the show and it was great.

B411: Didn’t Sammy play with Levon Helm & the Barnburners back in the day?
FS: Yes, at that time one of my students John Rocklin loved Levon Helm/The Band fan, so he took Sammy to see Levon and it turned out that Levon loved Sammy and invited him along on some gigs.
Levon had just gotten throat cancer and he couldn’t sing, so they had Chris O’Leary fronting the band and Sammy would sit in, so after a while Sammy got me into the band with Levon.
B411: I love the chain of connection it is so true, everybody knows somebody so be kind to all.

B411: So what happened to Sammy? Why is this a tribute to him, besides his pedigree?
FS: Sammy had two strokes within a short time, the last left his right side paralyzed and he’s been in a nursing home ever since. We don’t want this to be a benefit we want this to celebrate Sammy while he is still alive, and yes, Sammy will be there to visit.
This event will be just a few days before he turns eighty-three – November 28
th – so it will be a festival of friends and of some of Sammy’s near and dear friends and some of the best of the best of our area’s artists who are neighbors too.

B411: Very cool, very cool. Now you and Sammy were nominated for a Handy Blues Award in 1996 as Best New Artist.
FS: Yes we were, and our album “I Ain’t Lyin’” on Delmark Records was awarded Comeback Album of the Year by Living Blues magazine.

B411: Sweet, so how did this event wind up at The Sullivan?
FS: My old friend Randy Resnick who used to book me at The Dodge IN, so I was trying to get him to book me and my singer Laurieanne, but he wasn’t really looking to book bands there. So on my way out I mentioned that The Sullivan might be a perfect spot for a festival, and he seemed to like that idea and here we are today on the verge of getting it done.

B411: I’m all for that approach, ya never know if ya don’t ask.Thanks Fred, the more I learn about this event the more I can’t wait to get there.

To learn more about Little Sammy Davis (tho’ it is a little out of date) :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Sammy_Davis
Fred Scribner can be found at: http://www.reverbnation.com/fredscribner
and on facebook at:   https://www.facebook.com/fscribner?fref=ts

Until next time,
Love, Peace & Chicken Grease
chefjimi
©Blues411.com 2012
Where Blues Thrives
Photos: courtesy of Artist, Leslie K. Joseph, Matt Price.

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Interview: Ramblin’ With Zac Harmon

Recently Zac Harmon posted a note on his Facebook page concerning how the Blues views, and treats it’s artists. It was quite interesting and it compelled me to get in touch with him to discuss it further. I hope this opens your eyes and ears, maybe causing you to consider what you hear as Blues and where it might be headed.
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Blues411: Your posting about the situation in the Blues is near to my heart. I am always asking artists what their opinion is on where we are going, how we are getting there and do we need GPS to get back on track and out of the wilderness – or are we on course and where we should be.
Zac Harmon: Now we all know the origins of the Blues – where it came from and what was going on with the folks that created it….but it’s a little deeper than that. Even that knowledge itself is part of the problem and seems to contribute to the navigational problems that we deal with today in the Blues. I might get little deep here so bear with me, OK LOL.

B411: It’s all good, not a problem at all, go ahead on.
ZH: Blues is, as I keep hammering home, medicine. Blues was a musical art form that came out of a group of folk’s desire to express how they felt inside but because of oppression, could not express those feelings through normal channels. That’s the birth of the Blues right there. As with any musical art form, Blues as we know it has gone through a few changes, we had the early stuff the Mississippi Sheiks, Charley Patton and Robert Johnson did, then the electric era – when Muddy and Wolf played the electric blues and Little Walter played harmonica thru an amp – and that changed everything.

So now we come to today, and the problem we have – and it doesn’t just apply to the Blues – here in America we have become overly and overtly bottom lined oriented and we have forgotten that this incredible art form that we call the Blues defines American  music abroad.

B411:
How so, the Blue isn’t a money maker for sure, or am I wrong?
ZH: Art is a money maker when packaged properly. The Mona Lisa painted over and over again by lesser artists packaged by lesser brokers would eventually lose its value in both presentation and worth. You see Blues as an art form evolved and remained fresh when we had radio personalities that were real personalities. They played music that was good stuff, new stuff that the people were digging. Then all of a sudden we come to the age of music consultants (now) where you have one guy programming radio for half of America. Basically telling everybody what to like and what not to like when they don’t even understand the music they program. Those early programmers and music promoters understood the music because they were in many cases a creative part of it. So the music was free to grow. Today too many of our programmers are really simply Blues enthusiasts who really love the music of the fifties and sixties and really think that they can now replace the creative spirit that has driven the evolution of the Blues with their love for a window of time. They pretty much control all the outlets where Blues can be found today and my fear is that what does not evolve will die. Because of this the people (fans) now get a very small rationing of anything that’s progressive in the Blues. Basically what they get is the same thing re-hashed over and over and over and over. What this has done – just by attrition – is limit the Blues fan base by refusing to let it grow. So what happens is that you got Stormy Monday recorded a million times and finally it ain’t so great anymore.

B411: So it’s regurgitated Blues that may not be adding new fans to the family.
ZH: So now you got new fans coming to see the Blues and this is what they hear and they say “oh my God I don’t like that.” That is why I ask the question “does the Blues eat it’s young?” This is a real problem. So we really have to ask ourselves the question do we really love this music? Do we really want the Blues to survive? – that is the question.

B411: Is it a racial thing – like do we have the right people playing the Blues?
ZH: I don’t get into that whole thing about whose right it is to play the Blues because music is medicine, music is universal – everybody’s got a right. I don’t get into that, that’s just as destructive as anything else.

One of the guys that responded to my post, spoke about what he likes is music that makes him feel good, and all he is getting is this crazy guitar driven music that is coming out. He said enough already and why do they keep doing this. I explained to him that the artists may not want to be doing this but you have to understand the record labels that dominate the market can dictate what they must do. So in order for these guys to get promoted and to get a booking agent – this is what they have to do. They are the ones pulling the strings – if you don’t conform you are left out.
It has nothing to do with talent, absolutely nothing to do with talent.

B411: So are there labels and agencies within our little family of Blues – are they that popular to be able to do that?
ZH: This is a boutique market. Even though they might not have huge numbers the numbers we have are dominated by them.

B411: Would that not lead to artists becoming more independent, or create other labels and a more communal based label group or self released music?
ZH: You are absolutely right, that is what this is going to lead to but I just hope it’s not too late. We are stuck in a time warp right now because of the economy. The growth of everything is so slow because of the economy. Yes there are more and more guys, because of the technology, that are capable of doing their own thing, but it’s a true fight for exposure.

B411: May I ask how this effects you directly – Zac Harmon and his music?
ZH:  Jimi, I think I know me better than I know anyone so…I just try to do good music and hope that somebody gets it. I don’t try to play thirty-two bars of guitar solo or try to write about drinking and gambling just because I think that’s what a Blues audience wants to hear. I do what feels good,   I believe that (again) music is medicine. You have got to give people something to chew on. Something that expresses how they feel.  That’s how it all started anyway.

B411: Indeed, that’s the real hook to the music – relating to it in a personal way.
ZH: When a person buys my CD, or after a show says to me that one particular song spoke to them and that’s what they needed to hear, that’s  what does it for me – that’s what we are put here for.  I don’t get the benefit of promotion or the benefit that a booking agency would bring so everything with me is grass roots. The only reason I play anywhere is because somebody demanded that I be there, someone that was spending money said I want to hear/see Zac Harmon. It’s not cause of an agency on the phone saying ‘I’ll give you Zac Harmon if you take so and so also”. Do you see what I mean?

B411: Yes I do, that’s the stuff I am not familiar with – well I must say I am starting to see that more and more as I get more familiar with that side of the business.
I go back to when we could hear all types of good music on the airwaves, but I do agree that now we are seemingly stuck on this guitar masturbation (as I call it) syndrome that is dictating or defining what is the Blues. What happened to the piano players, the fiddlers etc.?

ZH: Let me tell you an incident that happened recently, I played a festival with this kid in North Carolina couple of years back. This kid opened for me – in my opinion he was incredible – I dug what he was doing, he was progressive. After the show he was talking about the IBC’s and how he competed  and of course he didn’t do well and on one of his score sheets he was told that he needs to learn to play ‘real blues’.
He asked if I thought that he needs to change what he is doing, and I said absolutely not. He was incredible and I hope he stays on it. The real blues wow?

B411: Good advice with the IBC’s coming up soon in January. I have heard various things floating around about issues with judging, but there always are when it is somewhat objective judging. Who is there to tell anyone what the Blues is – outside of some chord pattern but even that . . .
ZH: Jimi, I don’t mean to pull rank on anybody where Blues is concerned but man, I was born and raised in Mississippi – I did not even now it was called Blues, we just played that music. We didn’t say we going to play the Blues other people called it the Blues. Even if I wanted to get away from it, if I wanted to change the Blues in me, I couldn’t cause it’s part of my DNA. If you put me in a pot and boiled me down, all that would be left is the Blues but my experiences are not the same experiences that Muddy had, I never picked cotton, my daddy picked cotton.  I went to school and  never had a hungry day in my life and even though I grew up in Jim Crow Mississippi, by the time I was an adult, things were very different Therefore my whole perspective is a bit different. Though I loved Muddy, and Wolf and John Lee Hooker, I was also diggin’ Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone, and Frank Zappa. I can’t deny any of that – it’s all part of making me who I am. Now if you had asked Muddy that same question back in 1956 he would have given you the same answer if you asked him why he didn’t sound like The Mississippi Sheiks and why was he plugging in his guitar.

B411: No kidding, some of the so-called purists would have rejected Muddy because that brother plugged in – you can’t do that, it ain’t the way. I don’t get it.
Just to flash back to what we were talking about earlier, it was again, all music, not stereotyped or categorized – it was just music. It wasn’t Blues or Jazz or Electronic music – it crossed over to all folks – it was just music. Now we are all put into egg-crates so we don’t mix together, cos they don’t want US there.
ZH: Right, and it’s all being driven by people who don’t have a clue of what they are even dealing with. They are writing reviews and programming radio by the numbers.
B411: What is main stream radio these days – it doesn’t exist. It may but I don’t have time to dig around the internet to hear some new folks, but even that can be riding the same rails as we described. I have access to new music but it has to be difficult for them.
B411: About Zac Harmon – are you working with a promotion agency?

ZH: I hire Blind Raccoon to promote my CD’s however my manager wears all of the hats. He does everything from book gigs to drive to gigs, he is a very special guy. The agencies won’t give me the time of day. They tell me “We don’t think you got it”. Thank God some fans feel differently.
B411: What…these are supposed Blues agencies. That’s depressing and short sighted too.

B411:Do you see a solution for these things that we are discussing?
ZH: I think it will fix itself through attrition, I just hope I am alive to see it happen. So that the next generation doesn’t discover my music and say damn, this dude was great how come we didn’t know about him.

B411: That’s scary to think, the same old story of the Blues man, he’s dead and now his records sell. Now if I can cite your latest release “Music Is Medicine” that’s great stuff there. A variety of styles, original music that speaks to the soul, you know I dug it. Not just the standard twelve bar homage, it was music.
ZH: Yes, Yes, thank you for ‘getting it’, it was incredible (and the check is in the mail – we laugh at this thought).

B411: About the check – if I get it I will frame it and you can sign it again – it will go on the wall (we continue to laugh) in a special spot. Reviews are hard to do reviews because I listen deeply to them, and feel that if you or any artist takes the time to put this product out there for us then I should at least listen to it several times and try to grok what you are saying. It takes me a lot of effort and time to do justice to it, which is why I don’t do as many as I would like to. So consider yourself lucky or chosen (laughing) .
ZH: That’s what I’m saying, allow us to make our own individual statements. Don’t make me say what the guy before me said, or the guy that you will be listening to tomorrow. Don’t make me say that same ole thing. Let me say what I want to say, and if what I say is not worth listening to, then don’t listen to it.

B411: So if we are fortunate to have it work itself out through this attrition – we will be at a giant loss because there will be lots of dead bodies on the road side. It conjures up images of the civil war for me, metaphorically speaking – gain, loss, attrition and re-birth but many good people lost and deep, deep scars.
ZH: I did a tour last year and was watching the audience and man, the average age was sixty to seventy five years old. Now just a few years ago the average age was like forty to sixty. Our audience is getting old and dying off. My promoter in Europe, who retired this year, said he would love for me to do the Mississippi styled country blues that he loves and the audience loves because I can do that, but it is not the only thing I do. He also understands why I need to step out and do the other things I do and why it has to be now, not in twenty years from now. The audience may not be there, so I need to make my music for now.

B411: I often say that the blues Nazis should go in the corner and die off with their view of the music and let the rest of us live on and make the music grow. Cause if it doesn’t grow it will die, it’s that simple.
ZH: It’s not even a matter of wanting  to hear the style of Blues that they like but its more of a matter of forcing the style of music on others. For God sake let the music breath and grow so that a new younger audience can discover  their on brand of Blues that they will become passionate about.

B411: Right so they say the folks don’t wan to come out for blues festivals or shows. This summer I have several festivals that had a wide variety of artists. It as great they got to see ‘traditional artists’, artists like Zac Harmon and some European artists, and they young crowd came to see JJ Grey or Tedeschi Trucks – it works. It gets younger people inside the walls and into the music.
But I do have to ask where were the brothers (the African American Audience)?

ZH: Here’s the deal with the brothers. I play a festival in Jackson, Mississippi,  and I play to around ten thousand brothers every year. I just played at the Hollywood Park Casino to eight hundred brothers. So please believe my when I say that brothers do love the Blues however  they are very sensitive when it comes to the Blues simply because we come from a legacy of creators not copiers. So every time we see someone we feel is a copier we automatically don’t like them unless they are so good that it is undeniable. So when I play these festivals where also artists like Mel Waiters, Marvin Sease, Eddie Cotton, Sir Charles Jones and others play, the Blues is alive and well. It has just taken on a new label call Southern Soul but it’s nothing but Blues. It’s just evolving Blues, it’s how the Blues has evolved in the Black community, so that’s the reason you don’t see many African Americans at the festivals that don’t include any of these artist.

B411: Very cool, I hear ya, I get that, it really is the same for any specific group as we said earlier. Cool.
ZH: As for the other bands that you say draw younger crowds, I call them the fruit, I am part of the fruit – ya know the Blues is the root and everything else is the fruit saying – well that is what it is. Now if I am playing at same festival as these bands that have been promoted to these young audiences by the labels (which I have not) I guarantee you that if I am playing to their audience, by the end of the night their audience will become my audience.

B411: Having seen you and your band perform, I agree.
ZH: Yeh that’s why I say it is political, because I don’t see that happening.

Please visit Zac: http://www.zacharmon.com/

To read Blues411′s review of Mr. Harmon’s release ‘Music Is Medicine’ visit here:
http://blues411.com/cd-reviews-autumn-falls-gets-back-up-so-another-three-cd-review-session-for-yas/

Until next time,
Love, Peace & Chicken Grease
chefjimi
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